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Looking for 8-10 inch high-brightness display with HDMI for cockpit installation
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Looks like that screen would benefit from an antiglare coating. How is it in the dark? I find really bright screens are difficult to get dark enough for use at night
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#12
(2025-05-16, 04:05 AM)Techstyle Wrote: Looks like that screen would benefit from an antiglare coating.  How is it in the dark?  I find really bright screens are difficult to get dark enough for use at night

This is a common problem on very bright screens. All the chinese panels are manufactured with the same indoor brightness. There is a 'panel manufacturer'
and a 'display manufacturer'. The display manufacturer gets standard screens, opens the backshell and replace the LED strip. Also the touch screen is added,
both to customer needs.

This is the reason you can not find anti glare, high brightness screens on stock anywhere. There is no reason to do it. Just ask the 'display manufacturer' to do it for you.

Back to the low brightness in the dark. High brightness screens have a lot of LEDs and these LEDs have a minimum voltage called forward voltage 'Fv'. Due to the
technology the point to emit light is in the critical Fv curve, because it is a diode. This voltage is not linear and highly individual to each production batch.

If you meet this Fv point and the LEDs starting emitting light and this is too much for you in the dark, you cannot fix that. You can add a tinted cover film or set
the navigation software to do 'night mode' with red readout. Both is very easy to do.

Chris
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#13
I received back some info from Lilliput when asking about wet hands/gloves, which is exactly as I anticipated.

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Regarding gloves / wet hands, you would not be able to reliably use gloves with it as the monitor uses the capacitive capabilities of human skin to stimulate a change in the electrostatic field of the screen (and it measures this). Standard gloves insulate human skin from this, so they will not work. You can buy specific gloves that have metal fibres in the weave and will allow you to make the touch contact. The same problem exists with wet. While you will get a capacitance change on a wet screen, it might not be a reliable once as the water will move the electrostatic charge around and create false readings.
<end quote>

I must say I anticipated this from my small knowledge on capacitive touch screens. BUT although the sailproof device I gave a link for earlier states amongst its specs..:

Anti-glare
Anti-fingerprints
Wet and glove touch

So I don't think they are the same as the lilliput devices..

I don't know how they manage the 'wet and glove touch' as they are also 10 point capacitive touch devices. My seal skinz gloves have pads on the fingers to use touch screens, not sure how this is possible without..

Iain
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#14
I bought a custom Screen from Sihovision (https://www.sihovision.com), it is listed as 1000Nits, but it is a 1200nit screen, it is optically bonded, which is critical for reducing internal reflection and is antiglare.  it has a custom dimmer to get the backlight down as much as possible, that with night mode (black/red) makes it useable at night.  the video below was filmed in Fall of 2023 when it was 2 years old.  

https://youtu.be/aEgnDA6py74?si=cV3VAMJWS7DBzr4E

I have used it in the wet and it does work, but can be somewhat unpredictable.  As it is at the helm, most of the time, it is showing what I need and there is little need to touch it.
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(2025-05-14, 08:24 PM)malouiner Wrote: Nice coincidence, I bought it !

Actually I bought the lilliput one. Sailproof just rebranded the lilliput one.

This one is the Sailproof one : https://lilliputdirect.com/FA1019T and I bought this one which can be intergrated in a panel (the cockpit for example) : https://lilliputdirect.com/TK1019C

I did some 3d printing and made a raspi 5 support behind. It works really good. The only thing I cannot say is wether it is a true 1500 nits display, I have nothing to compare too. I can read it in sunlight even though I thought I could read better.

Here are some pics of my setup :

[Image: software-recommendations-for-custom-rpi-...n6xe1.webp] [Image: software-recommendations-for-custom-rpi-...n6xe1.webp]

I have installed the Lilliput display and it seems ideal for this application with the IP67 cable for connection, keeping the Raspberry Pi well protected below deck.  I haven't used it at sea yet so can't comment on real-life useability. It is readable in sunlight but the screen is glossy so reflections are a bit of a problem. Lilliput don't seem to do a matt screen protector for the 16:10 format.

Just to update, I have added a matte screen protector for a Panasonic Toughpad that I had lying about which has exactly the same screen dimensions. The reflectivity is much reduced.
   
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#16
Xenarc 1029GNH 10.1" IP67 Capacitive Touchscreen LCD Monitor 
Expensive, but the best. 100% waterproof, including connections.
Iv'e had one for about 2 years. Very nice, very rugged.
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#17
Hi all

I have acquired the older smaller Sihovision 101 (10" 1600 nits max and ok bonded touch screen, 12V not particularly power hungry, 1200 by 800 screen), and it comes with a waterproof stainless case and 75mm Vesa mount holes. Weight is around 2.3kg without stand. Including delivery and 10% GST it cost Au$550 as a one off. It has CNLink click connectors underneath. The RPi5 will be within the deck and the connectors are to be removable so the monitor and cables come in at the end of the day to avoid tempting anyone less fortunate. I plan on using through hull CNlink L24 connectors for the power, HDMI and USB cables. I have bought a folding metal (not rust proof) monitor holder through Amazon, and will have up to four round head bolts screwed into my steel deck.
The outside steering position is exposed with no forward or above cover. We have a bimini from the steering position aft.
The bonus is my vessel does not deal with waves or salt (inland). My need for a nav system is not critical although useful to see where the commercials are on OpenCPN with AIS (prevously using a Win11 tablet, however the brightness is not good enough ~450nits). It otherwise ran my poor man's ECDIS well just using the USB ports. It did not do well in rain ;-)... 

I have only tested at home so far outside in the sun and at leisure in the lounge. The system will also be asked to make visible the side of the boat using rtsp streaming  as we have blind spots at the forward shoulders and suffer a lot of damage there when locking and mooring. I should not need to see the AIS overlay at the same time as commercials go first.

Once installed (May to August, boat is in Netherlands currently) I will report back as to view and functionality. 

I will try and append some photos of the monitor/stand. Sorry have not taken them during the Heath Robinson hook up with the RPi, cables cameras and network stuff draped everywhere.

Regards
Chris


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